Saturday, 14 October 2017

SOME TRUE FACTS ABOUT THE DISGRACED IMMORAL AND ADULTEROUS RICHARD TAYLOR WHO SHOULD NEVER BE A PASTOR AGAIN BUT WHO CONTINUES TO GO AGAINST THE LORD IN HIS USUAL ARROGANT AND DEFIANT MANNER!!

The Jailbird Andrew  Ichabod Kelly (pictured below) has recently tried to defend his fellow jailbird and false prophet Richard Taylor on both the blogs of Rob Thomas and myself, but his case is so leaky and full of holes that it would disappear without trace under scrutiny.
But on Rob's site he challenged The Watchman For Wales for some FACTS about Tricky Dicky Taylor, so I publish them here for you all to see yet gain, as I did so in the comments section of the larger article further down this site. 

Hey Sickabod, you ask the question "What do we know as a FACT about Richard Taylor"?

Well Saddo, here are some TRUTHFUL FACTS about the serial sinner:

He is a jailbird like you!

He is a liar like you!

He has been jailed for similar actions you perpetrated!

He is an adulterer several times over!

He is a False Prophet - just like you!

He was sacked from his role as Senior Pastor at VC in Cwmbran for immorality and adultery!

He was given a five year pulpit ban by the Elim Church which until then, was his covering banner in the Lord!

He reneged on this arrangement, just like you did when you took my blogs and refused to give them back to me as you promised! Two of a kind again!

He founded his own vacuous and worthless church after this ban so that he could break God's Word and carry on preaching his erroneous version of "the Christian message"!

He now charges for his services, and advertises this fact, which is Unscriptural and Unholy!

He was so depressed about his lack of morality, his several adulterous relationships, his betrayal to his wife and kids, and his lack of good Christian service that according to you Kelly he contemplated suicide!

What Christian man would ever contemplate suicide!

The laughingly called "Reverend" Richard Taylor (pictured above) tried to run away to America to get away from all of the flack and the continual adverse publicity which haunted him then, and will continue to haunt him until he resigns from the role as head Pastor at The Heads Of The Valley Church in Merthyr, and then seek genuine repentance!

Of course, the Yanks refused him a visa not surprisingly!

Why? Because they did not want another wayward "Christian" leader soiling their land whose career included being a thief, a jailbird, a serial adulterer, a sacked Christian minister, one who sets up his own non-Christian churches so that he can preach even more error, one who contemplated suicide, and whose lifestyle and poor Christian CV and leadership was likely to lead more and more innocent, vulnerable and gullible people down the road to destruction which he has marked out for his wretched self!

I say all of this, and to quote your words "I say it as a servant of Christ. I stand on the mountain top shouting these wares to the entire earth"!!

Have A Nice Day Now Boyo As You Continue To Attempt To Support Your Fellow Jailbird And False Prophet!!

Maranatha Blessings,

Your "Bruvver" Nev!!

"RICHARD TAYLOR, BACK IN THE DRIVING SEAT OF COUNTERFEIT REVIVALISM AT THE 'NEW BEGINNINGS CHURCH' IN MERTHYR TYDFIL" BY ROB THOMAS.

RICHARD TAYLOR, BACK IN THE DRIVING SEAT OF COUNTERFEIT REVIVALISM AT THE 'NEW BEGINNINGS CHURCH' IN MERTHYR TYDFIL.


"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse,
deceiving, and being deceived."
(2 Timothy 3:13)
INTRODUCTION

I never wanted to write about this man again. I really didn't. Nothing would have pleased me more than to put all the issues surrounding this ignominious individual firmly to bed, once and for all. And I would have done, if only he'd somehow found it in him to have the good grace and the integrity to keep away from the pulpit he so unashamedly and determinedly disgraced, rather than have the temerity to disgrace it all over again, deceiving and being deceived. But my hand has regrettably been forced by his re-emergence into the limelight; the big con is sadly still very much on, and a long dark shadow continues to be cast across the land. The pied piper is once again playing his seductive tune, and a clear warning has to be given.

AN IGNORED EXCLUSION FROM LEADERSHIP

There are three major temptations to overtake a Christian leader. (I use the term "Christian" loosely, to include those leaders masquerading as ministers of righteousness, whose "Jesus" is in reality "the lord of the fraud" as highlighted in my last article: 
http://watchman4wales.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/the-most-heinous-identity-theft-ever_10.html )

The three great temptations? Money/Materialism, Power/Control, and Sex - immoral sex to be exact. Some may fall at one hurdle, some at two, and some like Richard Taylor even fall at all three. And when all that occurs concurrent with that person heading up a church where he is supposedly appointed and anointed to lead an "outpouring" of the Holy Spirit, that "outpouring" clearly cannot have been the work of a holy God but only a product of fallen flesh. In a nutshell, the much-feted event presided over by Mr. Taylor that became known as the "Welsh Outpouring" was just an elaborately engineered exercise in soulish sensationalism, just another hyper-Charismatic engagement in Laodicean lunacy.

While Mr. Taylor was being trumpeted as being "the real deal," the awful reality behind the carefully-cultivated illusion was that he was about as genuine as a plastic Rolex or a politician's promise, and every bit as sound as a Bank of Toytown pound. While publicly he was boasting that he and fellow Cwmbran crow Andrew Parsons were going to head up the greatest revival that the world had ever seen, privately he was engaged in an extra-marital sexual relationship, for which adultery he was subsequently dismissed by Elim (to which his Victory Church was affiliated) and banned from the pulpit. End of the unhappy saga? Sadly, not so. Banned from one pulpit, he simply seeks another...

The refusal to accept due discipline is the hallmark of an arrogant and wayward, even anarchic spirit, not that of a genuinely repentant, God-fearing man. Scripturally, adultery debars a church leader from being in a place of leadership, not just for a few years as Elim decreed, but permanently. Most certainly a truly repentant pastor can be restored to fellowship, but never to such a position as he held formerly. It is troubling indeed that there has to be a serious question as to Mr. Taylor's real repentance, and thus qualification for return even to fellowship, for if he was truly penitent he would humbly accept that he cannot hold such an office of leadership again, not demonstrate a wilful determination to do exactly that which he has disqualified himself from doing.
FULL ARTICLE AT: https://propheticwitnessnewport.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/richard-taylor-back-in-driving-seat-of.html

The Church The Body Of Christ Started At Acts 28 and Not Acts 2 As Many People Believe! When The Church Age Started, Jesus Picked A Different Apostle And Gave Him A Different Gospel!!

New post on Now The End Begins

When The Church Age Started, Jesus Picked A Different Apostle And Gave Him A Different Gospel

by Geoffrey Grider

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It is from Paul that we understand the mystery of the saved believers in the Body of Christ, the mystery of the Church, the mystery of the Pretribulation Rapture, the mystery of Eternal Security, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the mystery of the the future restoration of the Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble, and the list goes on and on.

"Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen." Romans 16:25-27 (KJV)
Casual readers of the Bible who, starting in Matthew and ending in Revelation, see one story written for the Church, try desperately to make everything about the Church, and wind up in a mess. Paul commands Christians to look for divisions in the Bible, identify divisions in the Bible, and put the proper pieces in the proper places. These are the instructions God has for us in 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV).
Paul was different from the other apostles, and he preached a different gospel from the other apostles. He called it "my gospel", and he was charged with teaching it first to the apostles and then to everyone else. Sound like heresy? Don't panic, it's Bible. Just a part of the Bible that no one ever told you about before.
So with that, I thought it might be edifying to a deeper look at unique life and ministry of Paul, the apostle for the Church Age.
  • PAUL WAS HANDPICKED BY JESUS FOR A SPECIFIC JOB: Paul says his selection as an apostle was one who was "born out of due time" in 1 Corinthians 15:8 (KJV). When Jesus knocked him off his "high horse" in Acts 9, He changed his name and changed his purpose in life. Saul became Paul and was anointed to be the apostle to the Church Age. As such, Jesus gave Paul Church Age doctrine as opposed to Peter who was preaching Kingdom Age doctrine. "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." Acts 26:16-18 (KJV).
  • PAUL WAS A TEACHER TO THE APOSTLES, NOT A STUDENT: It would make sense to the average Christian that when Paul met Jesus, he would go and spend time with the other apostles who had been with Jesus day and night for 3 and a half years, right? Well, it would make sense, to anyone but God, that is. When Jesus selected Paul, He took him off alone in the desert and taught him the doctrine for the Church Age, and then commissioned him to go and tell the other apostles that the dispensation has changed. "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11,12 (KJV). You should pause for a moment and let that sink in, Paul was very, very different than the others. He continues in Galatians. "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus." Galatians 1:15-17 (KJV). Starting to see the picture, now? The Bible shows us Paul was personally instructed by Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and given to know "mysteries and revelations" no other human being had any idea about.
  • THE MYSTERIOUS GOSPEL OF PAUL: It is from Paul that we understand the mystery of the saved believers in the Body of Christ (Colossians 1:26,27), the mystery of the Church (Ephesians 5:30-32), the mystery of the Pretribulation Rapture (1 Corinthians 15:51,52), the mystery of Eternal Security (Ephesians 1:9-14), the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10), the mystery of the the future restorations of the Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble (Romans 11:25), and the list goes on and on. Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter...none of them had any idea of these doctrines until Paul came along and taught it to them. That's why Paul referred to what he preached as "my gospel", because it started when Jesus revealed it to him in the Arabian desert. "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."Romans 2:16 (KJV).
The Kingdom Age, of which Peter was the designated apostle, was put on hold in Acts 7 when the Jews stoned Stephen after rejecting his preaching. The dispensation that came next is what we call the Church Age, and it will end in the Rapture of Church Age believers. When that happens, the Kingdom Age which was put on hold will be reactivated. Peter's gospel of faith plus works (Acts 2:38) will come back to the forefront. Hebrews and James will have their doctrinal fulfillment during the time of Jacob's trouble, and the believers of that time period will not be eternally secure. These are the people that Jesus said must "endure to the end" of the Tribulation in order to be saved.
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UNLIKE THE CHURCH AGE, SALVATION IN THE TIME OF JACOB’S TROUBLE CONTAINS AN ELEMENT OF WORKS
Even Peter acknowledged that Paul was very different, had a different gospel, and that it caused a lot of people to wrestle with it to their "own destruction". That's how different Paul was from Peter, as Peter clearly states here:
"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15,16 (KJV)
Perhaps now you have a clearer understanding of the "divisions" Paul told us to look for in 2 Timothy, hopefully you do. There is not "one" gospel in the New Testament, but there is only one gospel for the Church Age.
Paul's gospel.

Tuesday, 12 September 2017

WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT? THE SERIAL ADULTERER AND ENDTIMES FALSE PROPHET RICHARD TAYLOR IS BACK AS A PASTOR IN SOUTH WALES! AND TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, IT IS AT THE HISTORIC BETHANIA CHAPEL IN MERTHYR WHERE PEOPLE LIKE THE GREAT EVAN ROBERTS WORKED WONDERS FOR THE LORD IN THE TRUE WELSH REVIVAL OF 1904/05!!!

WELL IT JUST HAD TO HAPPEN FOLKS! THE SERIAL ADULTERER, SACKED PASTOR, EX-JAILBIRD, FALSE BIBLE TEACHER, AND END TIMES FALSE PROPHET RICHARD TAYLOR HAS BECOME A PASTOR AGAIN!!
AND GUESS WHERE? POOR OLD EVAN ROBERTS AND THE OTHER GREAT MEN OF GOD FROM THE REAL WELSH REVIVAL OF 1904/05 INCLUDING MARVELLOUS WORKS OF THE LORD AT THE BETHANIA CHAPEL (PICTURED BELOW) IN DOWLAIS TOP IN MERTHYR WOULD BE TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES TODAY! WHY? BECAUSE THE SAD UNHOLY LOT IN SOUTH STREET HAVE APPOINTED THIS CHARLATAN AS SENIOR PASTOR IN THE HISTORIC AND ONE OF SOUTH WALES GREAT CHURCHES - BETHANIA! MAY GOD FORGIVE THEM!!
THE FORMER JAILBIRD FROM LLANELLI AND GREAT FRIEND OF ANOTHER EX-JAILBIRD AND END TIMES FALSE PROPHET ANDREW ICHABOD KELLY COULD NOT EVEN WAIT FIVE YEARS TO SERVE HIS FIVE YEAR PULPIT BAN IMPOSED UPON HIM BY THE ELIM CHURCH FOR HIS ADULTERY, FALSE PROPHESIES, AND THE WAY HE LED SO MANY PEOPLE ASTRAY WITH THE DAMP SQUIB OF THE SO-CALLED "WELSH OUTPOURING" AT VICTORY CHURCH IN CWMBRAN IN 2013. TRICKY DICKY TAYLOR IS OF THE MODERN IMPUSLIVE MOULD WHEN HE DEMANDS OF GOD "GIVE ME PATIENCE AND GIVE IT TO ME RIGHT NOW"!!! JUST LIKE HIS BIG BUDDIE, ICHABOD ALSO KNOWN AS THE BEAST OF BODMIN (PICTURED BELOW)!!
WHEN THE LYING AND DEVIOUS TAYLOR, WHO "MANUFACTURED THE HEALING" OF POOR OLD PAUL HAYNES" IN AN ATTEMPT TO START UP HIS PANTOMIME OF AN OUTPOURING IN CWMBRAN WAS SACKED BY ELIM, HE AND HIS OTHER ROGUES AND FALSE PROPHETS ANDREW PARSONS, NICK WALTERS, LES BEVAN, AND ROBERT HART BROKE AWAY FROM ELIM SO THAT THEY COULD FORM THEIR OWN "VICTORY CHURCHES" AND THUS GIVE PREACHING OPPORTUNITIES TO THE LIKES OF TAYLOR, PARSONS, WALTERS AND BEVAN TO SPOUT OFF THEIR UNHOLY RUBBISH AND TO LEAD EVEN MORE PEOPLE ASTRAY IN THE DEPRESSED VALLEYS OF SOUTH EAST WALES!! MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON THEM!!
TRICKY DICKY, AS HE IS KNOWN LOCALLY BECAUSE OF HIS SERIAL ADULTERY, TRIED TO RUN AWAY FROM ALL OF HIS BAD PUBLICITY BY MOVING ABROAD. HE COULD NOT TAKE HIS MASSIVE FALL FROM GRACE IN HIS HERO TO ZERO PERFORMANCE! HE LOVED HIS FORMER CELEBRITY STATUS WHERE HE JUST LAPPED UP THE BOUQUETS FROM HIS TV-LIKE PERFORMANCES ON STAGE AND RECEIVED ALL OF THE VACUOUS AND HOLLOW ACCOLADES WHICH CAME HIS WAY!!
HE LIKED TO DESCRIBE HIMSELF AS A "REVEREND" AS WELL AS A PASTOR, BUT HE HAS NO RECOGNISED QUALIFICATIONS TO BACK UP THIS OTHER VACUOUS CLAIM, BUT KNOWING THE LIAR HE WAS AND CONTINUALLY IS, THIS IS NOT THE LEAST BIT SURPRISING! MORE LIES WERE TO SPOUT FROM HIS BIG GOB WHEN HE DECLARED EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT HE WAS MOVING TO FLORIDA IN THE USA TO TAKE UP A NEW PASTORAL ROLE.

BUT AS USUAL THIS WAS MORE HOT AIR FROM THE LLANELLI LOUD MOUTH, AND HE HAD TO REMOVE IT FROM HIS VARIOUS MEDIA SITES WHEN HIS MOVE WAS BLOCKED BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE GRANTED THE NECESSARY VISA AS AMERICA DID NOT WANT ANOTHER "CHRISTIAN PASTOR" WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD TO MOVE TO DEAR OLD UNCLE SAM!!
BOTH BLAENAVON (ABOVE) AND MERTHYR PERFORMED "FAREWELL" SERVICES FOR THEIR BELOVED BUT FAILED LEADER AS THEY LAID HANDS ON HIM (NOT BY THE THROAT AS THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE) AND PRAYED GOD'S BLESSINGS OVER HIM! WHICH "GOD" WAS THAT I WONDER? AND SO MUCH FOR THEIR DISCERNEMNT, PROPHECY AND GIFT OF KNOWLEDGE AS THE SO-CALLED "BLESSINGS" CAME BACK TO HAUNT THEM AND GIVE THEM A RIGHT BIG SLAP IN THE FACE WHEN HIS MOVE TO THE USA WAS DISMISSED OUT OF HAND!!
THE PASTOR AT MERTHYR AT THE TIME WAS THE HOLY GHOST BAR TENDER FROM THE EMPIRE CLUB IN PONLOTTYN, NAMELY LES BEVAN (PICTURED ABOVE WITH TAYLOR). WHAT A RIGHT PAIR OF ROGUES THESE TWO WERE AND STILL ARE! LES WAS ALWAYS CLAIMING TO BE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT, BUT MOST PEOPLE KNEW IT CAME FROM A BOTTLE AND NOT FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT!!
SO WHAT WAS BIG LES TO DO AFTER HIS PROPHECY OVER TAYLOR'S MOVE TO AMERICA FAILED? "I KNOW" HE THOUGHT - "I WILL MOVE OVER AND GET TRICKY DICKY TO BE OUR NEW PASTOR". NOTICE ABOVE THAT TAYLOR IS DESCRIBED AS AUTHOR OF "IT TAKES A THIEF". HE WAS IMPRISONED FOR THIS, BUT TODAY HE IS STILL A "SPIRITUAL THIEF" AS HE ROBS GULLIBLE AND VULNERABLE PEOPLE OF TRUE BLESSINGS FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, WHEN HE CANNOT EVEN COMPLETE HIS FIVE YEAR PULPIT BAN - LET ALONE BECOME A PASTOR YET AGAIN!!
THIS IS NICK WALTERS (ABOVE), ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE "DYNAMIC DYNASTY" WHO BROKE AWAY FROM ELIM AND THEIR FORMER MOTHER ASSEMBLY OF VICTORY CHURCH IN SPRINGVALE IN CWMBRAN. HE HAS AS MUCH FOREKNOWLEDGE AS HIS PARTNER IN CRIME BEVAN FOR PROPHESYING OVER TAYLOR AND HIS MOVE TO AMERICA! LIKE BEVAN HIS CLAIMS TO BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND BE ABLE TO PERFORM MIRACLES AND SIGNS IS AS USELESS AS A CHOCOLATE TEAPOT!!
SO BEWARE RICHARD TAYLOR! THE LORD WILL NOT BE MOCKED! AND JESUS HATES PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO DO THINGS IN HIS HOLY NAME. HAVE A READ OF THIS TRICKY DICKY, AND SEE IF IT APPLIES TO YOU:

TRUE AND FALSE DISCIPLES:

20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognise them.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 

22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ 

Matthew 7:20-23(NIV).

BE PREPARED IN THESE LAST DAYS FRIENDS,  FOR THESE END TIMES ARE FULL OF FALSE PROPHETS SUCH AS RICHARD TAYLOR AND ICHABOD KELLY!!
MARANATHA BLESSINGS, NEV.

Sunday, 30 July 2017

PLEASE COME TO THE READING BIBLE STUDY AFTERNOON ON SATURDAY THE 9TH OF SEPTEMBER PRESENTED BY THE OPEN BIBLE TRUST.


DEAR FRIENDS,
AN EARLY HEADS UP FOR YOU TO MAKE A NOTE IN YOUR DIARIES TO ATTEND A SPECIAL OPEN BIBLE TRUST "BIBLE STUDY AFTERNOON" IN ROYAL BERKSHIRE ON SATURDAY, THE 9TH OF SEPTEMBER.
THE VENUE IS THE SPLENDIDLY ATTRACTIVE ST. STEPHEN'S CHURCH, UPPER BASILDON, READING, BERKSHIRE, RG8 8LU (PICTURED BELOW)
AND THE GATHERING TAKES PLACE FROM 2.30pm - 6.30pm.
ST STEPHEN'S CHURCH IN UPPER BASILDON. 
THE SUBJECT MATTER FOR THE SEMINAR WILL BE "WHY THE BIBLE" AND IT WILL BE SPLIT INTO APPROXIMATELY EIGHT SHORT SECTIONS DEALING WITH THE INERRANCY OF THE BIBLE; THE INSPIRATION OF THE BIBLE; THE AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE; THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE, AND HOW TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE SCRIPTURES FROM AN ACTS 28:28 DISPENSATIONAL APPROACH.
THERE WILL BE FOUR MAIN SPEAKERS IN BETWEEN AN EXCELLENT TIME OF FELLOWSHIP, FOOD, FUN, AND SEVERAL DISCUSSION AND Q&A PORTIONS.
THERE WILL BE NEVILLE STEPHENS (PICTURED BELOW) FROM THE OPEN BIBLE TRUST WHO NOW LIVES IN THE VALLEYS OF SOUTH EAST WALES HAVING RETURNED TO THE LAND OF HIS FATHERS. FORMERLY FROM WATFORD, NEVILLE WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PIONEERS WHEN THE OPEN BIBLE TRUST WAS FORMED IN 1984, AND ALWAYS HOSTS THE WELSH CONFERENCE OF THE OBT IN NEWPORT EVERY YEAR. HE WILL BE PRESENTING TWO COLOURFUL POWERPOINT PRODUCTIONS ON THE CORRECT APPROACH TO "RIGHTLY DIVIDE" OR "CORRECTLY HANDLE" THE WORD OF GOD (2 TIM 2:15).
NEVILLE AND HAZEL STEPHENS FROM SOUTH EAST WALES. 
NO OPEN BIBLE TRUST CONFERENCE OR STUDY GATHERING WOULD BE COMPLETE WITHOUT WORDS OF WISDOM FROM THE OBT ADMINISTRATOR MICHAEL PENNY AND ALSO HIS ELOQUENT WIFE SYLVIA (PICTURED BELOW), BOTH FROM READING, AND THEY WILL ALSO BE PREPARING POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS ON THE INSPIRATION AND AUTHORITY OF THE SCRIPTURES.
MIKE AND SYLVIA PENNY FROM THE OBT IN READING. 
THE FOURTH SPEAKER IS A RELATIVELY NEW NAME TO THE OPEN BIBLE TRUST, NAMELY ROY GINN FROM ESSEX WHO IS NOW A REGULAR AUTHOR FOR THE OBT PUBLICATIONS AS WELL AS A VALUABLE SPEAKER AT BIBLE STUDY AFTERNOONS SUCH AS THIS ONE IN READING. HE IS WELL WORTH LISTENING TO.
THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR THIS FELLOWSHIP AND STUDY AFTERNOON, BUT THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DONATION TOWARDS THE WORK OF THE OPEN BIBLE TRUST. FREE REFRESHMENTS WILL BE SERVED BETWEEN THE SEVERAL SESSIONS.
AS USUAL THE OBT WILL BE PROVIDING A RESOURCES TABLE WITH A SPLENDID SELECTION OF RELEVANT BOOKS, BOOKLETS, CD'S AND DVD'S AS WELL AS OTHER LITERATURE AND VALUABLE INFORMATION.
FOR ANY FURTHER INFORMATION PLEASE CONTACT MICHAEL PENNY ON 01491 671357 OR VIA EMAIL AT ADMIN@OBT.ORG.UK OR YOU CAN CONTACT NEVILLE STEPHENS ON 07808 251502.

Wednesday, 26 July 2017

The Welsh Revival Comes to Bedlinog In The Welsh Valleys. The Speaker is Robert C. Owen. This Is The story of How God used a School Teacher to Bring the Welsh Revival to a Small Mining Village. Robert Owen was born in Bedlinog and Pastored Churches Across the UK and the USA.

Neville Stephens Speaking At TURF in Newport on 17/09/2013

Introducing the Open Bible Trust By The Administrator Michael Penny From Reading.

The Teachings of The Open Bible Trust By William M Henry From Near Glasgow.

THE CHURCH THE BODY OF CHRIST STARTED AT ACTS 28:28 NOT PENTECOST!! HERE IS SOME OF THE PROOF TO BACK THIS UP!!

TODAY’S CHURCH DID NOT START IN ACTS 2 AT PENTECOST


            DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT EVERYBODY TELLS YOU!! 
We all know the church as we know it began in Acts 2 at Pentecost. We know so because the Spirit of the Lord filled the people present there and they all spoke in other tongues but they understood each other. (The opposite of what occurred at the Tower of Babel.)
And it must be that the church as we know it today started precisely then because some Gentiles were present. Those Cretans!
Peter quoted Joel telling those at Pentecost exactly what was taking place:
  • The church was formed!
  • Gentiles can now be saved without proselytizing to Judaism!
  • Americans can build all the churches they want!
We know all the church began at Pentecost in Acts 2 because, well…Everybody knows the church began in Acts 2. Everyone knows that!! [Yelling still louder] “EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!!”
And we have Peter quoting Joel telling us that the church would be formed when this all happened.
Only… Joel never said any of that. Joel only said all that would take place “in the last days.”
He never said anything about it being a new angle on God and that the church would be formed. Or that Gentiles would now be saved without becoming believing Jews. Or… stay with me here… or that God’s original plan for Israel mightbe put on hold for a while… He never once said that anywhere there at Pentecost.
Repeat after me: “Joel only said all he described would take place ‘in the last days.’”
And this is ultra-important: Peter never said that Joel’s prophecy was taking place right then! Peter quotes Joel, it seems as though it’s on the near horizon, but Peter never says Joel’s prophecy is being fulfilled right then at Pentecost. Still… We must use Joel’s prophecy as a guide somewhat. Joel’s prophecy is at the forefront of Peter’s thoughts there in Acts 2. It seemed to be vital right then in that timeframe but we cannot say that Joel’s prophecy was taking place right then. Other things are true but we can’t say it was Joel’s prophecy taking place. Still, if we discount Joel’s prophetic importance at Pentecost and we discount Joel’s audience, we discount Peter and God’s Word. Peter thought Joel’s prophecy was related to things going on at the time of Pentecost and so should we.
Since Acts 2’s events happened and since Peter’s inspired words were to quote Joel, then we have hard evidence they were in the “last days” due to what occurred at Pentecost. But we have no hard Biblical evidence that the church started then or that Gentiles had any part of God’s salvation plan at the time. And we have no soft Biblical evidence that the church started then either.
Let me be more clear: We have no evidence the church began at Pentecost.

AGAIN… EVERYBODY KNOWS THE CHURCH BEGAN IN ACTS 2

The world-famous, ancient, wildly popular, critically acclaimed Neo-Christianized Hermeneutic that I recently made up explains itself this way: if most Christians believe it then it’s probably wrong.
Most Christians believe the church began at Pentecost. So, according to the Neo-Christianized Hermeneutic that belief is probably wrong.
Note: For the sake of this study, let’s call the “church today” or “today’s church” or “the church” something other than “church.” Is that okay? I like Paul’s term for us: the Body of Christ. Read just about any passage Paul wrote. You’ll see the terms “in Him” over and over. We are in him (positionally) when we’re saved. We are the Body of Christ with Him as the head.

WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

Why does it matter really when the Body of Christ, our place in the church, began as long as the Body of Christ (again, the church as we know ourselves) began at some point?
If the church today began at Pentecost, in Acts 2, then we need to pay attention to Acts 2 forward in history to get our specific marching instructions. This includes lots of signs and wonders we read about after Acts 2.
But if the church today – the Body of Christ – began at some other time, such as Acts 9, then Acts 2 through 8 are for us but not to us. We should read those passages in a different light than if God inspired them to us.

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?

Pentecost took place in Acts 2. What was it all about? When we don’t understand a verse, we often only have to look at the verses right before or after the one that confuses us. (Why don’t we remember to do that more often?)
In Acts 2, the Holy Spirit was poured out as follows:
Acts 2:1 – When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance. Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language.  They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans?”
Continuing in Acts 2:8:
“And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans [Cretans!and Arabs—we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.” And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”
Yeah! What does all that mean? Well if only we had some Biblical clue close by.
And we do! In Acts 2: 14-16, I paraphrase Peter who basically said, “Do you all remember that prophecy in Joel about the Holy Spirit being poured out and that signs and wonders would occur? Well…. This is that.
Here’s Peter’s precise statement:
Acts 2:14 – But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: “Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. “For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day; but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:”
Then Peter tells what Joel 2 said about what was taking place. Joel 2:28-32 tells about signs, wonders, darkness of the sun, lots of end times things, and he discusses that at that time the Holy Spirit would be poured forth on all mankind.
Would all mankind, believing Jews and Gentiles, have salvation? It doesn’t say anything about that. Would Gentiles only be saved? Never mentions anything like that.
But for our purposes, was this the start of the church today? Nothing in Acts 2says that or even hints at it.
Note: Do I require that we assume a normal reading of a Bible passage is literal unless a normal reading renders it a metaphor of some kind? Yes. Yet, I don’t require that Acts 2 specifically and literally say “the church began at Pentecost” for the church to have began there. The problem is, to me, it says nothing remotely suggesting that’s when or where it happened. And nothing later suggests that from a contextual standpoint.
Doesn’t the notion of “primary application” (to whom Scripture is talking directly to or about) indicate this is still a plan primarily for Israel when Acts 2:22, the very next verse after Joel’s prophecy, begins with: “Men of Israel, listen to these words…” It sure sounds as though Peter’s talking to Israel, trying to get them to accept the fact that their Messiah was Jesus.
Acts 2:22-24 says:
“Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know—this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.”
If only there was at least one other hint in Acts 2 that it’s still Israel’s plan and not a new church plan. Then we’d know.
And there is.
Luke (the writer of Acts) begins to close the chapter in Acts 2:36 with this:
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”
“all the house of Israel”? It sure seems to me as though Israel is still the focus as it’s been since Abraham through Acts 2 and even beyond! Odd, then, that Israel still seems to be the target audience in spite of the fact that both Joel 28 and Acts 2says that some Gentiles will receive the Holy Spirit here at Pentecost. Is the inclusion of Gentiles in this phenomenon that signals the end days are close at hand mean anything about the church, the Body of Christ? No.
Is Israel the focus in the Body of Christ? No. Hmmm. Does Paul tell us that both Jew and Gentile share equal inheritance in the Body of Christ, the church, today when they become Christians? Yes.
How much of Joel was directed to us today, to the Body of Christ? None. All Scripture is for us but not all is to us.
Note: Turns out, if “last days” mean the end times were extremely close in Joel’s prophecy, then the fact it’s been 2,000 years and no end times have taken place can be a problem for some. I won’t address that here, although I see it not as a problem. I think the “last days” reference was literal and that the last days literally were close at hand with a tribulation coming rapidly. The fact it didn’t (unless you love mythology as much as Hank Hanegraaff and other preterists do) isn’t the focus here. Our focus for this study is only: Did the church begin at Pentecost? And the Pentecost verses sure indicate nothing but silence on the issue.

WHAT DOES PENTECOST EVEN MEAN?

Dr. Charles Ryrie, brilliant theologian, said this in his Balancing the Christian Life:
“Another very basic help to understanding the Bible—and one that is often overlooked—is an English dictionary. Words like ephahephodspikenard, and timbrel are all defined in the dictionary. Even more theological terms like Pentecostchurch, and mystery are given their theological meaning in the English dictionary. I am sure that many people do not understand the Bible simply because they do not know the meaning of the English words they are reading.”
(Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Balancing the Christian Life (Chicago: Moody Publishers, 1994), 70–71.)
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So what does Pentecost actually mean?
How many of us have read about it, listened to sermons about it, and even possibly taught about it without having a clue to what the English word represents?
The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary defines Pentecost this way: The Greek name for the Jewish Feast of Weeks, deriving from its occurrence 50 days after Passover…
(Mark J. Olson, “Pentecost,” ed. David Noel Freedman, The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (New York: Doubleday, 1992), 222.)
“Jewish feast”? I thought this was for the church! For Gentiles! Who let the Jews in???
The answer is that it was for Jewish believers. Their Messiah had come, died, and rose from the dead. It was about time for the plan put into place in Genesis 12(actually, since Genesis 3:15 if you want to be exceedingly accurate) to begin soon. Pentecost is linked directly to everything Jewish.

PAUL’S STATEMENT

Ephesians 3 is an ultra-important  chapter for us today. Paul talks about a “mystery.” Paul talks about this “mystery” a lot throughout  a lot of his writings.
Ask just about any Christian or preacher what the “mystery” is that Paul talks about all the time and you get responses such as these:
  • “   …  “
  • “Mystery? Well, we don’t know, it’s a mystery!”
  • “That… we are alive?”
  • “Jesus died for my sins.”
And how on earth could we ever know what Ephesians 3 means when Paul talks about this all-important “mystery”? Perhaps we could… and I don’t want to be too crazy here, but perhaps we could simply read what Paul says it is in Ephesians 3:4:
By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God’s grace which was given to me according to the working of His power. To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentilesthe unfathomable riches of Christ, and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;…
I guess my big question is this: Was Paul given the charge to go to the Gentiles and preach the “Gospel of grace” as he calls it elsewhere? Yes.
Was anybody else ever single-handily given this clear charge? No.
Could the fact that this “mystery” that both Jews and Gentiles are equal heirs, revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ, was never before Paul hinted at before anywhere, is it possible that Paul was the first to preach it? It’s not only possible, it’s a requirement if you believe Paul. The church as we know it – the Body of Christ – was never before hinted at in Scripture before Paul.
This means not in Joel.
This means not in Acts 2.
This means the Body of Christ, the church today, could never have began before Paul was saved in Acts 9.
Again, does it matter? Completely 100% it matters. The church could not have began before Acts 9 because Paul was saved then.

BUT PERRY, DID YOU FORGET ABOUT ACTS 2:38?

Acts 2:38 says this:
Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
These were all Jews, not Gentiles! Peter is directing this to the House of Israel. How do we know this? Because two verses earlier he says that. In Acts 2:36 we see:
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”
He’s right on track with his plan, to save a believing Israel, to inform them of their Messiah whom most rejected, to take them into the kingdom that was still close at hand (Joel’s “last days”).
Why should we practice a Jewish requirement??? Do we require circumcision on the eighth day, do we require the keeping the Sabbath, do we sacrifice animals?
Christ was already risen when this was written! Compare to far later in Acts 10:48 where they did not have to be water baptized first to receive the Holy Spirit. Water baptism was solely a Jewish thing long before your local Baptist church built their baptistery. It still was in Acts 2:38. Jewish believers had to be believe and be water baptized. Unless you don’t read or accept what the Bible says simply.

JUST IN CASE, COULD THE CHURCH HAVE BEGAN IN ACTS 3?

Lots of Acts 3 wording indicates it’s all purely for Israel. More talk trying to convince Israel that their Messiah was Jesus. Yes, unlike most of the Hebrew Bible (known as the Old Testament), Acts 3 is trying to capture a believing Israel, and that belief being Jesus.
But Gentiles? The church as we know it? No.

WAS THE CHURCH STARTED IN ACTS 4?

Nothing here but trying to get Israel to believe still. The Sadducees certainly didn’t believe in a risen Jesus. They were “greatly disturbed” (they certainly were disturbed!) and they threw Peter and John in jail for preaching a risen Christ. Who were they preaching to when this happened? Acts 3:12 tells us it was to “men of Israel.”
These aren’t the Gentiles you’re looking for.

SO… CHAPTER 5 THE CHURCH BEGAN?

Nothing about it.
Well, the word “church” is used. It’s referring to Jewish believers; there is no other options available. The law was in effect still, baptism required, the whole thing. No person yet raised up to present the “Gospel of grace” to the Gentiles.

SURELY THE CHURCH BEGAN IN ACTS 6

All throughout Acts 6, we sure see lots of Jewish words. Hellenistic Jews (Greek Jews, but not Greek Gentiles). Native Hebrews.
Also, Acts 6:7 says, “…and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.”
Finally, priests are mentioned! Must be Roman Catholic priests perhaps? (A big resounding No.) These are priests of Israel, as Jewish as Jewish can get and fortunately, many were becoming obedient  to the faith, meaning believing in the risen Jesus, getting water baptized, all of it. Praise God! But no Gentiles in the mix.

ACTS 7?

Stephen, a believing Jew, starts telling the Hebrew leaders the way it is. He quickly runs through a history of God’s dealings with Israel. The Hebrews hate hearing it and they still recalled how he said this statement in Acts 6:14: “…for we have heard him say that this Nazarene, Jesus, will destroy this place and alter the customs which Moses handed down to us.”
Note: That was future tense by the way. Jesus will destroy those customs.
So they decided to kill Stephen. This would still be a pattern 2,000 years later when tolerant liberals want to kill Christians today for stating truths about God.
At the end of Acts 7 we see Jesus, in Heaven, getting angry.
Oh, you can deny that ever happens. You can deny, as a bunch of dead Germans did, that God has no emotions. (I assume those dead Germans would black out the shortest verse in the Bible: Jesus wept.)
In Acts 7:55, Jesus stood up while at the right hand of God the Father. This means He stood in judgment. They were going to stone Stephen for spreading heresy even though he had spoken 100% truth. But Stephen wasn’t a heretic. Jesus didn’t like what was happening to Stephen at all. He stood up in judgment.
And an amazing amount of things changed right then. But those changes – other than the Body of Christ – aren’t the focus of this article.

SO DOES THE CHURCH BEGIN IN ACTS 8?

In Acts 8 we learn of the most sinful sinner on earth, He was named Saul. We know he was the worst sinner because he tells us later he was. And he attempted to kill every single person who believed Jesus was the risen Messiah. And he was frightfully thorough in his quest to do just that.
You’ll see mention of “church” in Acts 8. Odd, if it means the church as we know it and not believing Israel because you’d think Scripture would mention where that church started. It doesn’t. Keep in mind that Jesus’ earthly ministry was only to the Jews. Once risen, they needed to understand He was resurrected. But it seems as though the believing Jews are still the goal in Acts 8 because we are not told of any change yet in something called the church or Body of Christ.
That wicked Saul, who became Paul in Acts 9 after getting saved, sure tells us about a change in Ephesians 3. Remember that from earlier? He says that a “mystery” that was never before revealed was given to him by Jesus. That mystery is that now Gentiles are equal heirs with God. Paul goes on later to tell us, the Body of Christ, that he was given the ministry (teaching requirement) to promote the Gospel of grace to Gentiles.

THE CHURCH REVISITED

Does the Bible say the church began in Acts 9 when Paul was saved? No. But we know from reading Acts 2-8 that the church didn’t begin anywhere there. And we know from Paul’s writings that the church, the Body of Christ, was in play during his ministry and that it was all given to him and never revealed before it was revealed to him.

THE BOTTOM LINE

A mountain of evidence says the church as we know it – the Body of Christ – started after Acts 2.
A mountain of evidence says the church as we know it could not have started before Paul was saved in Acts 9 because nobody else ever knew anything about Gentiles being equal heirs to Jews in the Body of Christ.
There’s not even a molehill – let alone a mountain – of evidence that suggests the church began anywhere close to Acts 2 at Pentecost.
But… everybody seems to know it did anyway. Because, well, that’s what everybody says all the time.